NTFS Descriptions not working

I've set my TakeCommand options to use NTFS descriptions, but when I add a description to a file a DESCRIPT.ION file is created and the description is put in there instead. How do I get TakeCommand to use NTFS descriptions, as the option doesn't seem to do it?
 
I've changed my Description to use NTFSDescriptions.

I DESCRIBEd a file, and the description was added to the SummaryInformation (Which is correct);

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I did a search of my DESCRIPT.ION file, and it was not found (Which is correct).

I can do;
Code:
e:\downloads>dir /z modLargeAddressAware.zip

Volume in drive E is New Volume   Serial number is 2c1e:6e61
Directory of  E:\Downloads\modLargeAddressAware.zip

modLargeAdd→      1299  2021-03-25 12:41 Large Address Aware
and I see that the description is as it should be.

From the Advanced Tab of the Options dialog;

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...after selecting NTFS descriptions, did you click OK or Apply;

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I selected Apply, then OK, and then I started a new TCC tab.

Joe
 
The files are on an NTFS network drive. Directory Opus file manager can edit the NTFS description just fine. TakeCommand won't.

[T:\test]dir /ah

Volume in drive T is homes Serial number is 1b0a:0763
TCC: (Sys) The system cannot find the file specified.
"T:\test\*"
0 bytes in 0 files and 0 dirs
3,556,232,925,184 bytes free

[T:\test]DESCRIBE test.txt "This is a test file"

[T:\test]dir /ah

Volume in drive T is homes Serial number is 1b0a:0763
Directory of T:\test\*

2021-03-25 17:34 32 DESCRIPT.ION
32 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs 1,024 bytes allocated
3,556,232,921,088 bytes free

[T:\test]option descriptions
descriptions=Yes

[T:\test]option NTFSdescriptions
NTFSdescriptions=Yes

[T:\test]
 

Charles Dye

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Descriptions on an NTFS network drive work as expected for me:

Code:
H:\Test>net use
New connections will not be remembered.


Status       Local     Remote                    Network

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             H:        \\unmcifs\coe\coe\home\cdye
                                                Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.


H:\Test>dir /a /: /z

 Volume in drive H is COE          Serial number is 807b:2fba
 Directory of  H:\Test\*

.            <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
..           <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
test.txt            15   3/25/21 11:48
                  15 bytes in 1 file and 2 dirs    4,096 bytes allocated
   1,710,202,118,144 bytes free

H:\Test>describe test.txt /d"File description test"

H:\Test>dir /a /: /z

 Volume in drive H is COE          Serial number is 807b:2fba
 Directory of  H:\Test\*

.            <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
..           <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
test.txt            15   3/25/21 11:50 File description test
                                0    {4c8cc155-6c1e-11d1-8e41-00c04fb9386d}:$DATA
                              136    SummaryInformation:$DATA
                 151 bytes in 1 file and 2 dirs    8,192 bytes allocated
   1,710,202,093,568 bytes free

H:\Test>
 
Descriptions on an NTFS network drive work as expected for me:

Code:
H:\Test>net use
New connections will not be remembered.


Status       Local     Remote                    Network

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             H:        \\unmcifs\coe\coe\home\cdye
                                                Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.


H:\Test>dir /a /: /z

Volume in drive H is COE          Serial number is 807b:2fba
Directory of  H:\Test\*

.            <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
..           <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
test.txt            15   3/25/21 11:48
                  15 bytes in 1 file and 2 dirs    4,096 bytes allocated
   1,710,202,118,144 bytes free

H:\Test>describe test.txt /d"File description test"

H:\Test>dir /a /: /z

Volume in drive H is COE          Serial number is 807b:2fba
Directory of  H:\Test\*

.            <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
..           <DIR>       3/25/21 11:41
test.txt            15   3/25/21 11:50 File description test
                                0    {4c8cc155-6c1e-11d1-8e41-00c04fb9386d}:$DATA
                              136    SummaryInformation:$DATA
                 151 bytes in 1 file and 2 dirs    8,192 bytes allocated
   1,710,202,093,568 bytes free

H:\Test>

That's not the behaviour I get - it's what I want, but it's not what I get.
Code:
[T:\test]dir /a /: /z

 Volume in drive T is homes        Serial number is 1b0a:0763
 Directory of  T:\test\*

.            <DIR>      2021-03-25 18:49
..           <DIR>      2021-03-25 17:25
test.txt            17  2021-03-25 17:25
                  17 bytes in 1 file and 2 dirs    1,024 bytes allocated
   3,556,232,912,896 bytes free

[T:\test]describe test.txt /d"File description test"

[T:\test]dir /a /: /z

 Volume in drive T is homes        Serial number is 1b0a:0763
 Directory of  T:\test\*

.            <DIR>      2021-03-25 18:51
..           <DIR>      2021-03-25 17:25
DESCRIPT.ION        34  2021-03-25 18:51
test.txt            17  2021-03-25 17:25 File description test
                  51 bytes in 2 files and 2 dirs    2,048 bytes allocated
   3,556,232,908,800 bytes free

[T:\test]

And as I said earlier, OPTIONS is reporting that I have descriptions turned on (of course - we can see it there) and NTFS descriptions enabled.

This facility is important to me, so because Directory Opus gives it to me and for some reason TakeCommand doesn't, I think I'll have to go for a refund on Take Command. How do I go about that?
 

Charles Dye

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At a wild guess, TCC is not detecting that your shared drive is NTFS. What does echo %@fstype[t:] report? Do descriptions work as expected on drive C: ?

Refunds would be up to Rex, support@jpsoft.com. (I'm not an employee, despite the fancy title in the forum.)
 
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It seems to be OK here.

But, how do you get rid of NTFS descriptions? The help doesn't mention an easy way (or any way to do one file). I tried

Code:
describe /c0 . /r

That made DESCRIPT.ION but did not remove the streams of the NTFS description
 
At a wild guess, TCC is not detecting that your shared drive is NTFS. What does echo %@fstype[t:] report? Do descriptions work as expected on drive C: ?

Refunds would be up to Rex, support@jpsoft.com. (I'm not an employee, despite the fancy title in the forum.)
echo %@fstype[t:] returns NTFS, but yes, it does work on local drives. Unfortunately I have a business need for it to work on the network drives, so it looks like TC isn't the right tool for me.
 

Charles Dye

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But, how do you get rid of NTFS descriptions? The help doesn't mention an easy way (or any way to do one file).

You could delete the ␅SummaryInformation stream. (You don't have to type that funky character; just type a colon and hit Tab. It'll be the first stream name that filename completion finds.)
 
May 20, 2008
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Syracuse, NY, USA
You could delete the ␅SummaryInformation stream. (You don't have to type that funky character; just type a colon and hit Tab. It'll be the first stream name that filename completion finds.)
That's what I did. There was also one with a GUID for a name.

But a delete option for DESCRIBE would have been a lot easier.